Finding your voice in web design and copywriting with Christina Easton | Ep. 18 Content Magic with Lindsay Smith

This conversation with my friend Christina Easton is full of super smarty-pants nuggets you won't want to miss. 

In this episode we are chatting about finding your brand voice, what branding actually means, how to use social media as a testing ground that can help refine that voice and how web design and copywriting can come together to boost  confidence for entrepreneurs. 

We also talk about the courage to show up, make mistakes and how to keep going. 

This is one of my fave conversations with a friend and colleague and you won't want to miss it! 

03:31 Lost job, found passion, no turning back.
09:42 Discovering one's authentic brand voice takes courage.
11:52 Adversity, self-judgment, and finding inner strength.
14:47 "Unsure of identity, seeking validation, finding purpose."
18:15 Copywriting is important - worth the investment.
21:25 AI supports but not replace creative inputs.
25:01 Confidence from Instagram, legitimacy from website check.
29:35 Starting out? Consider a one-page website.
30:50 Encourages legitimate presence, organic growth, beautiful offering.

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Christina [00:00:00]:
It. Sometimes I think when we have a fear of showing up, it's because we don't know our own voice yet. And part of and part of understanding and learning our voice and who we're speaking to is literally showing up.

Lindsay [00:00:12]:
If you have an online business, you're creating content. And the way you create content is more important than ever. It's really noisy out there, and learning to stand out is the only way. Hey, I'm Lindsay, and I'm the host of the content Magic podcast, all about being an entrepreneur and creating kick ass content to market yourself and your business. I have a not so secret superpower for copywriting, marketing, and content, and I've helped hundreds of folks just like you show up with a ton of confidence in the online space. I've been doing this content thing for 20 years, and I believe the real magic is a combo of intuition, creativity, and strategy. You can create content for your business without losing your mind. I promise.

Lindsay [00:00:58]:
So tune in every week for tangible content, tips, inspiring guests, and some real spicy opinions. Probably mine.

Lindsay [00:01:05]:
Ready to dive in? Let's go. Hey, gang. Welcome back to the podcast. And I have, guess what, another super duper guest for you, my friend Christina. Christina Easton. Welcome, Christina. I'm really excited to have you here. I know I've been bugging you for, like, months to come.

Christina [00:01:25]:
Like, I am stoked to be here. Nerve sighted. This is my first ever podcast.

Lindsay [00:01:30]:
What? Well, I feel like you're a good talker, so I'm not that stressed about. And could you tell the people where you are and who you are and who you help and what you do?

Christina [00:01:42]:
I would love to. I'm Christina. I'm from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, and I am a web designer, and I help you create websites you're not embarrassed to share a link to. And I absolutely get lit up at supporting go getter the doer Dreamer. Entrepreneurs really feel legitimate and take up space and standing in their expertise and authority.

Lindsay [00:02:07]:
Yeah, same. So, can you tell us a little bit about how you got into this? So, what was your entrepreneurial journey like?

Christina [00:02:19]:
We all have such interesting stories. I know for me, I've always been kind of like a worker. Like, I've always really worked, probably too much. And so while I was working a full time job in oil and gas, I also wanted something that was maybe a little bit more soul enriching. And so I started working part time at a yoga spa, and I'm still there in a capacity, and I loved it. I was like, oh, my gosh. Connecting with people in that wellness space and supporting people in their journeys. It was just so hard expanding.

Christina [00:02:57]:
And so I was doing that in front desk ambassador role, and as I kind of grew with the yoga spa, they needed a social media person. And I was like, oh, I could do that. That sounds fun. And so I started doing it, and I've actually been doing it for them for seven years. So I no longer do social media, but because I started with them, but from there, I continued in my full time job, and then the world kind of went upside down. And the company I'd worked with for about 15 years, they closed our division. Like, closed it. There was no reopening.

Christina [00:03:31]:
It was closed. And then I was like, well, what the shit do I do now? And randomly, that week, on the Friday, someone I had known reached out to me and said, hey, would you take on a social media client? So I kind of went through this roller coaster of like, oh, my God, what am I going to do with my life? 15 years at one place, to not having a place, and then that same week having someone reach out, and I was like, you know what? Yeah, I will. And so I actually started doing social media full time, was fairly successful, but it didn't light me up as much. I came across a client doing social media for them, and they were like, would you be interested in becoming more of, like, our OBM and working with our back end of kajabi? And I was like, I would. And that was, like, the pivotal moment for me to go, I fucking love, like, this is what I'm meant to do. I am meant to help people create their websites, create their courses, create their digital presence. And there was no looking back. Like, no looking back.

Lindsay [00:04:33]:
I love that. Yes. And I feel like a lot of people came out on the other end of the pandemic being like, I was doing this thing that I was not super excited about, and it turns out I am super excited about this other thing. And also, I feel like it's very, I mean, you had no choice, but I feel like there's some bravery to step away from the security of something you had. Right. And to move into a brand new space.

Christina [00:05:07]:
Oh, yeah, there was some curled up on the bathroom floor. Who am I to do this? What am I even thinking? I mean, still today I do that. You know what I mean? It's part of the journey, and it's so interesting. I think we all have to do that and we have to have those moments. But, yeah, there is some bravery. There is some, like, I am worth it, and I'm going to put my big girl pants on, and I'm going to do this and I'm going to be successful and just keep getting back up off the bathroom floor, right? It's a beautiful roller coaster.

Lindsay [00:05:38]:
Yes. And I think that's what I admire so much about you is that you're just like, well, you're a bit like me. You're like, I just give a lot less f. And I know you and I have talked about this a lot. You're just kind of like, people are whining about this and low engagement and this is not happening, and you're just like, just fucking show up, man.

Christina [00:06:03]:
Just do the work.

Lindsay [00:06:04]:
I know you and I've talked about this a lot and especially a lot of my clients, too. Well, whatever. In the digital space, there's, like, a lot of fear of showing up. Right? I just was speaking to somebody yesterday and she was like, I need some help with my content. Like, I'm just too scared to show up. I was like, why? I create stuff and I delete it. I was like, why? She's like, I'm afraid of what people are going to say. I was like, what people? And she told me she had one family member that goes in and tells her all the mistakes she made.

Lindsay [00:06:42]:
And I'm like, are you building a business for this family member? It always comes back to this weird fear. And what I admire about you is like, yeah, we all have fears, for sure. Yesterday I just was like, I want to burn everything to the ground. And today I love everybody. So what I admire about you is even if you are afraid, you just keep getting back up and you just keep showing up. And I really love that about you.

Christina [00:07:11]:
Yeah, I received that. Thank you. Because it's actually something that I'm really proud of myself for. Because sure, it's easy to give up, but it's harder to not give up, but it's more rewarding. You know what I mean?

Lindsay [00:07:25]:
Yeah.

Christina [00:07:25]:
And I love what you said about that, not showing up, I think, and this will be talk about web design or, like, branding or copywriting, this trifecta of things that we want to have. Sometimes I think when we have a fear of showing up, it's because we don't know our own voice yet. And part of understanding and learning our voice and who we're speaking to is literally showing up, because what's going to happen is when we start to show up consistently. And I don't mean consistently, like every day at 05:00 I just mean making a commitment to ourselves to show up for ourselves and to our community, we start to actually have our community tell us what they want from us and they help us identify what our voice is and what our brand is. And so I think when we look at kind of that fear of showing up, there is a bit of that you're not dialed in yet. Like, you're not dialed in yet. And part of that process, which I think is so beautiful when we talk about web design. I talked to a client two days ago and they finally got their website launched and it was live.

Christina [00:08:30]:
And I'm like, how do you feel? And she didn't have to speak because the glow and the smile on her face spoke volumes. And she's like, I feel so proud and I feel so excited. And this process of starting to get your coffee dialed in and who your person is that you're speaking to. And yes, branding is more than just your logo and your colors. There's a whole tone of voice, how you speak, but also just when you start to dial those in and then you start to put it into a website where you're really proud, like a puffed out peacock to share your link, that all helps. You start to have less and less fear about showing up because you're starting to stand in who the fuck you are.

Lindsay [00:09:13]:
Yes, I agree. I agree with all of that. Yeah. So branding and brand voice. And, yes, and I talk about this a lot. Branding is so much more like, when you think of it on the surface, you think like, yes, logo and colors and a Pinterest mood board. Right? And it is so much more than that. And brand voice, I feel like, is one of those things that we don't really talk about a lot.

Lindsay [00:09:42]:
And somebody asked me about it recently. Can you explain what that is? And it's my experience, even though I've been a writer for 20 years, it's my experience that even when I started a blog at like, 24 on blog spot, does that even exist anymore? Even then, in your 20s, you don't really know anything anyway. But even then, I was trying to sound like somebody else and it took me a long time to be like, wait, this is what my voice is. So I think sometimes, yeah, you might kind of, like, muck it up a bit and trying to figure out what it is. I think the important part is, like, riding a bike or whatever you're going to wipe out. Right? And I think that's the same with brand voice or tone of voice or whatever you want to call it. Figuring out the way you speak and the way you show up in the world and your isms and the things you say all the time, all of that is brand voice. And I think sometimes it just takes the courage to just be like, okay, I'm going to put it out there and figure it out along the way and say, I can say for true that as a writer, that was definitely my experience.

Lindsay [00:10:59]:
I wanted to sound like David Sederis. I wanted to be like super funny like he was, and I was writing blog posts and articles and stuff to sound like him. And eventually I was like, wait a minute, I want to sound like Lindsay. So it took a while for me to figure out what it was. So do you concur?

Christina [00:11:17]:
I concur. And, you know, it's so know, you look at babies or kids, right?

Lindsay [00:11:21]:
Yep.

Christina [00:11:21]:
And it's like, I mean, man, they teach us a lot, but as a baby, I don't know, what age do you start walking? I don't have kids, like a yearish. Like a year. So a year old baby is not, they're not born walking, right. But they keep trying and they keep falling, but they keep getting back up and eventually they start running and it's like be like that one year old kid trying to learn how to walk, right? Like you're going to fall. You're going to get a boo boo.

Lindsay [00:11:51]:
Yes.

Christina [00:11:52]:
Just keep getting back up and then eventually you're going to start running. And it's like we get so caught up in our own heads and honestly, the only people who are really actually judging us are ourselves. And if someone pops into your, like a family member or someone pops into your dms and has something negative or unice to say, excellent. Now you know who you don't want to be speaking to. They've just taught you who you don't want to be in your world. Right? And I'm loving this conversation because it's such a big thing, because I can sit here and talk to you all day long about websites and why I think you need one and why I think they're beneficial and throw stats at you. But at the end of the day, for me, it really comes down to even before you get to a website is starting to really dial into who you are and who you're speaking to. Because I can tell you out of almost all my clients that choose to do their own copy, it's a big, I'm going to say struggle.

Christina [00:12:56]:
It is. It's a struggle because there is an art, there is psychology, there is a lot to it. And if you are trying to create a website, and your own copy, without fully knowing who you are and who you're speaking to, you will not be successful. So you kind of need to go through those beginning pieces of falling down until you can run so that you can learn, grow, and dial in to get to that place where you're ready to be. Like, here I am, and I am taking up space, and I know what I'm here for.

Lindsay [00:13:32]:
Yeah. And you're right. And I think having a website and creating the content to go with it there is sort of like an energetic part to it all. And I say this to even my clients who are like, I don't want to be on Instagram. I'm like, okay, cool. Don't. If you feel like you need to or whatever, just as, like, a presence to keep the lights on. So if somebody googles you or wants to creep you or whatever, sure, post one random thing a week on.

Lindsay [00:14:07]:
It doesn't have to be excessive. Unless Instagram brings you joy or brings you a lot of clients or whatever.

Christina [00:14:12]:
You know what I find interesting about that, Lindsay? What you just said there is. And I know you and I sometimes have opposing views on Instagram, and I think that's beautiful. But for me, Instagram is like your training wheels, because that's where you're out there and you're speaking to community. You're using your voice. And I feel like Instagram is kind of like the intro level as you start to move more into your email marketing or other forms of marketing. And I used to be that person who was like, I don't like Instagram. I don't want to be on Instagram. I hate it.

Christina [00:14:47]:
You know why? Because I didn't know who I was. I didn't know who I was, and I didn't know who I was talking to. So I was fearful every time I put something out there because, oh, are they going to like it? Because I didn't know if I liked it. And so I've started asking people, why. Why don't you like Instagram? Why don't you want to show up? What is that reason? Because once we understand what that reason is, we can then start to dive into, okay, is it actually just I don't want to be there? Or is it that I need to actually start dialing in who I am and who I'm speaking to? Yeah, that's an interesting one to me.

Lindsay [00:15:29]:
Yeah. And there's a lot of shoulding. Like, oh, so and so told me I should, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, who told you that. And why does it have to be like that? Why do you have to do what someone else told you you should do? Think it comes back to owning your own voice. And sometimes it's not even fear. Sometimes it's just like, I don't know who I'm talking to, and I don't know what my message is. Sometimes it's really hard to pick a lane.

Lindsay [00:16:04]:
And I'm sure it's the same for your clients too, right? And I think Christina has often worked together. Christina has referred a lot of copy clients my way. So a lot of copywriting clients, I can see right away that when they put, they fill their web copy with a ton of words that don't mean anything. And I can see right away they don't know what they're trying to say. They don't really know who they are, and they don't really know what they offer. Right? Like, you see the same words again, like, level up your midaba blah blah blah. A high vibe container of zero blah, blah, blah. Things come up all the time.

Lindsay [00:16:51]:
Or people repeat themselves over and over and over again because they're just like, I don't know what else to say. And I mean, also to that point, when a girlfriend redid my website, she was like, oh, I need you to describe your offers here. I just was like, what? To be fair, I can do it for other people, to do it for myself. I was like, oh, shit, this is hard.

Christina [00:17:12]:
Oh, my gosh, that's so funny. Because I had a conversation, because I'm looking at, so it's really interesting to me because a lot of my clients will come to me and they want.

Lindsay [00:17:19]:
To do their own copy.

Christina [00:17:20]:
As I was saying, I don't want to do my own copy. I offer copy guides and I try to offer resources to help them through to create their own copy. But with that being said, I'm not a copywriter. So when I'm offering you these bonuses and I'll give you a light edit and comments to put in perspective when we look at really dialing in who we are and who we're speaking to, just to have someone help us with our brand tone of voice, our brand identity can cost 1500 and up us. And then when we look at moving into having a professional copywriter and we're canadian. So I'm telling you right now, the exchange rate is not kind to us when we are being charged in us. But I was expecting to go in to bring in a copywriter for myself that is sitting between anywhere from low end 3500, probably up until, like, $7,000. And it's so interesting.

Christina [00:18:15]:
I feel like there's this thing with creators that people don't fully realize the skill set that someone like yourself as a copywriter has and the huge value that it brings. I think people just see, well, it's just writing words like, how could you be charging me $3,000? How could you be charging me $4,000? Because it can make or break how much clientele you might bring in when they hit your landing page. Because I'll tell you right now, you have, is it 0.5 milliseconds or no .5 seconds? I can't remember. Oh, my gosh. Don't quote me right now. It's 0.5 milliseconds later for someone to have their first impression when they hit your website. So you tell me right now, that $4,000 investment for copywriting, is it worth it if that first four sentences or two lines or two sentences, sorry, aren't speaking to the person you want to call in, like, what's your service with? So if I charge $3,000 for a website and my copy on my first above the fold section, so the first section you see isn't dialed in and speaking to my people, and they just bounce, because in that 5 seconds, I didn't call them in, I just lost $3,000. So you tell me what the value of copywriting is.

Lindsay [00:19:38]:
I can't, christina. It's invaluable. And it was you that told me. And sometimes I have it, because I've been doing this for so long, sometimes I have a hard time putting into words what a copywriter does. And it was you that said you're like, a composer of music, but with words. I was like, oh, my God, that's exactly what I do. And people ask me about chat GBT all the time. I'm like, sure, man, whatever, awesome.

Lindsay [00:20:04]:
Because I'm a copywriter, and I'm like, I'm not the target market for that stuff because I'm pointing to my brain right now. This is my Chat GPT. This is where it comes from. And I've had people ask me about names of programs or Instagram handles or, like, what app did you use? And I was like, my brain. It comes from my brain. And I saw somebody compare AI to a copywriter, right? And I've had people say, like, beware, they're going to take your job, and the robots are taking over, right? And I saw somebody compare it, and they were a writer, too. And they were kind of like, sure, use AI, but your copy is going to have zero feeling. It's not going to reflect you.

Lindsay [00:20:57]:
Like, everything we've been talking about, it's not going to reflect you and your brand. It's not going to have your brand voice. I mean, I don't know. I guess there are certain prompts you can do and I know a lot of people love it and use it. I'm not knocking it. I just think that I don't believe that the people I'm attracting to work with me and the people that you're attracting to work with you are the same people who are like, oh, I'm just going to get AI to do everything for me because, right, I love AI.

Christina [00:21:25]:
I love AI because it helps me with the things that allow me to be creative, right? Like, it helps me with the things that are more technical, which gives me space to be more creative. Would I write my website copy with AI? I don't think so. And it's the same with templates are such a huge popular, like DIY, do your own website with templates. The price point is more accessible, but it's kind of the same thing because a lot of times what happens even, it's the same thing, like using Chat GPT to do your copy, using a template to create your website. If you don't know what you're doing or how to use things strategically, purposeful, add in your personality and your flair, Chat GPT is not going to help you with that. The template is not going to help you with that. And it's so funny, I think people put all this time and this energy into their Chat GPT for copy or doing DIY templates. What is your time worth? Also, right, we sometimes don't think about the most valuable thing we have is time.

Christina [00:22:36]:
And so when we kind of start looking at cutting these corners or using certain things, I'm not knocking chat GPTR templates either. Don't get me wrong, I build with templates for clients as well. But there's something different about having a professional who fully understands what they're doing and what the purpose of why they're doing it is. Like a website, there's a lot of structure behind a website that a template might not guide you through, like how to build a website to make sure that you're ranking, how to make sure that you have header tags used properly. There's a lot of things. And so I love that you bring that up where it's like, yeah, you can use these things. But again, are you kind of stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime?

Lindsay [00:23:21]:
Yeah. Just the other day, I had a client who created a landing page, and she needed some help, and so I sort of went through it. She wants some help with the copy. So I kind of went through it, made some suggestions, and I was like, it feels like you. And it was one of those landing pages that you have to scroll and scroll and scroll like a sales page. And I was like, it feels like maybe you just used a template and it said, copy goes here, and you just threw some stuff in. She was like, yes, that's exactly what I did. I said, because you repeat yourself probably like six times.

Lindsay [00:24:06]:
It was a template. So, yes, I think, sure, there's a role for these things, right? And there's absolutely. But I do agree with you and that you have to figure out where you want to put your energy and where you want to put your dollars, too. And I think you're right. And the way you describe creating a website, it's like, more than just a website.

Christina [00:24:37]:
It's a work of heart.

Lindsay [00:24:39]:
It is a work of heart. It is. And the way you describe your client, when you feel really good about your online presence and when you have an email that's like your URL and not just like [email protected]. You do feel like, yeah, there's like.

Christina [00:25:01]:
A level of confidence there and you feel more legitimate. One of the things I always say is like, I'm going to go peep your instagram. I am. One of the first things I'm going to do is I'm going to check out your instagram. I'm really going to get that vibe check, see who you are, because that's where your personality shines probably a little bit more. If I'm serious about then potentially wanting to move forward with you, I go to your website. Because when I leave Instagram to your website, that's where I'm like, okay, this is legitimate. This person is trustworthy.

Christina [00:25:35]:
And if you're the person whose website I'm looking at, that creates such a proud feeling, knowing that you have a client potentially that's coming in, that's not going, oh, [email protected]. Does that make people question?

Lindsay [00:25:54]:
It does.

Christina [00:25:54]:
It makes people question as simple as your email as opposed to like, [email protected]. Right. If I was [email protected].

Lindsay [00:26:04]:
It just hits. There's a difference.

Christina [00:26:06]:
It hits. Yeah. I love this conversation. I love, we kind of talked about just showing up and doing your thing and kind of coming to the end where it's like that sense of pride and legitimacy and standing in your expertise with pride and just knowing who the fuck you are.

Lindsay [00:26:25]:
Yeah, right.

Christina [00:26:26]:
And you're going to have doubt, don't get me wrong. Even if you know you're still going to have the bathroom floor incident. Right. But getting back up and knowing that you are here for a purpose and you are here to share that purpose to the world, like, man, what else could you ask for? That's it, man. That's it.

Lindsay [00:26:47]:
Yeah. And it is that sense of purpose, too, that I think the marriage of web design and copy come together. Right. When you talk about branding, full circle, right? For sure. It's about your colors and your logo and your whatever, but it's also like how you show up. And when I talk about marketing, I'm like, I'm doing like a vogue right now on my face. I don't use video, but this is my marketing. Right? When I go out into the world, this is my marketing.

Lindsay [00:27:24]:
When people ask me what I do, I have to be able to tell them what it is I do very simply. I don't know if it's just as women, but, yeah, we're here because we have a purpose, and we're here because we want to make an impact. And I'm going to guess most of your clients come to you for the same reason. They're just like, I have this expertise. I want to make an impact. Most of us are in business because we just want to help people with our smartitude.

Christina [00:27:48]:
Yeah, right. That's what it's about for me. People are like, what's your why? Because I get lit up when I get to support and help someone live their dream.

Lindsay [00:27:59]:
Yeah.

Christina [00:28:01]:
Hello. That is beautiful. That is beautiful. What else can you bring into the world is just to be in community and support each other. Wow, talk about heart expansion. And I get to do that for a living.

Lindsay [00:28:17]:
We're winning at life right now.

Christina [00:28:18]:
Winning. And if you want to win with.

Lindsay [00:28:22]:
Yes, yes. And promo moment. So, Christina, where can people find you? And I know you have a couple of packages. I'm always recommending you when people are like, oh, I diy'd my website, and it's not good. I'm always recommending you because I'm like, here, she can make you, like, a one pager. Because sometimes I want you to talk about this, but I know you have various offers, but sometimes your website does not have to be complicated. Right? Like, it can just be a one thing. Can you talk a little bit about what you offer and find you?

Christina [00:29:00]:
I think we're in this world, not world, but we're in this time where we're so overstimulated and we have so much coming at us that I don't want to go look through seven pages of a website to figure it out. I don't make it easy for me, make it simple for me. Don't gatekeep your prices, don't gatekeep how to contact you. Right. Like if I want to work with you, make it easy for me to contact you. And so when we talk about websites, I generally kind of have a couple of real core offers. And one of them is kind of like the so rogue package where it's up to five website pages. It's more of the full meal deal.

Christina [00:29:35]:
It is probably more popular. But for those, especially when we are just starting out and the energetic to commit maybe aren't there because we're still kind of working in a part time or a full time position and we're starting to move into becoming a full time entrepreneur, the financial as well is not where you want to be to get into that five page website. So looking at doing a one page website is actually a really beautiful opportunity because it's accessible and we just really make sure that we're making it personality packed and purposeful. Right. So we kind of make sure that we're highlighting who you are, what you do, how they can contact you. If we need to have a little portfolio in there, we can do it as well. It's kind of like a sales page, but more personal because it's more about you and your multiple service offerings. And I love doing that.

Christina [00:30:32]:
That is one of my favorite packages because it helps people just really starting to fully stand in their entrepreneurial ship, right? So yeah, one page website is definitely a phenomenal way to get your, to dip your toe.

Lindsay [00:30:48]:
Dip your toe, dip your toe.

Christina [00:30:50]:
And it also allows you to have that legitimate presence, to feel proud, to not be embarrassed to share the link to your website because you've got that in place and then you can grow with it, right? As you grow, as you get more confident, as you know who you're speaking to. Because let's be real, the first iteration of your website probably is going to change within six to twelve months. You have a one page and then you can grow with it going, hey, I need to redo this one page and maybe add a full fledged service page. So you're allowing this organic growth. And it's a beautiful offering for sure.

Lindsay [00:31:21]:
Yeah. And I agree. And I think that's worth mentioning. Right? Especially if you're a solopreneur as you grow and develop. Yes, of course. Your brand is going to shift and change, and what you offer is going to shift and change. And your brand, any, any company, right? Like, even a product based business, your logos are going to shift. Your colors are going to shift.

Lindsay [00:31:47]:
And I think it's worth saying that that's okay, right?

Christina [00:31:52]:
Yeah. You should see what mine was when I started. I look at it now, I'm like, whoa.

Lindsay [00:31:56]:
Oh, I want to see it. Do you got screenshots I want to see?

Christina [00:31:58]:
I hope not. But I joke it is actually really beautiful to look at. Kind of where you started because it is a beautiful look back and see.

Lindsay [00:32:11]:
Where can, where can people find you? You're so rogue media.

Christina [00:32:17]:
I'm so chatty. I'm so rogue.

Lindsay [00:32:19]:
Yeah.

Christina [00:32:19]:
So it's so rogue media on Instagram. So at so rogue media. And then my website is sorogmedia.com.

Lindsay [00:32:27]:
Amazing. Thank you for coming on. I always love chatting with you.

Christina [00:32:33]:
I know. Thank goodness we don't live closer. Like, we'd get nothing done.

Lindsay [00:32:38]:
I feel like we'd go for, like, nine hour coffees. Awesome. Thanks for coming on. And that's it for us, guys. And we'll see you on the next episode. Toodleoo.

Lindsay [00:32:53]:
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